Interview: Frater AzureDragon156

Frater AzureDragon156 is a Thelemite who associates with Crystal Heart Oasis in the Valley of Spijkenisse, near Rotterdam, the Netherlands

How did you hear about Thelema and what
drew you to it?

I was brought into contact with Thelema by the then bodymaster of a camp in Amsterdam. 20 years ago, I studied Kaballah with him. At a certain moment he asked me if I was interested in Magick and if I had ever heard of Aleister Crowley. My answers were ‘yes’ and a ‘bit’. But frankly speaking I didn’t know what I was saying at that time.

I was drawn into it because I attended a beautiful Gnostic Mass, performed by very experienced officers (although I did not realize it, at that time) during which I experienced a state of bliss.

What is Magick to you?

Theurgy, the ability to walk tall and to be fully responsible for my own fate in the presence of Nuit Hadit and Ra-Hoor-Khuit. It is also a way of life, because every intentional act is Magick and I try to live as consciously as I can…

Why do you think Thelema is different from other philosophies? What makes it stand out to you?

For me Thelema embraces life and death to its fullest, it is not afraid of differences, nor tries to explain them ‘away’. As a Thelemite I know and am trying to be constantly aware that everything is in the end connected with everything and comes from the same source to which (eventually) everything returns. And in the meantime: have a lot of fun!

The most important aspects of Thelema for me are self possession (exploring my talents, remedy my imbalances, gain equanimity and thereby experiencing continuous pleasure), and the fact that Love under will is the ultimate principle or force (for lack of better words) in this Universe (being itself an expression of the body of Nuit) Or to put it in other words: because of the Love of Nuit, the embodiment of Nothingness, everything as we experience it, exists. If there had been no Love, nothing would have come into being.

In my opinion, Thelema differs from other philosophies in a multitude of ways:

  • It promotes self reliance in all aspects of life
  • It gives no prescribed code of conduct, promises of rewards or damnation by obeying certain rules imposed by ‘externalities’
  • The conjunction of your own divinity as expressed by Will and Love allows both discipline and total freedom without becoming totally self absorbed or anti-social.
  • Thelema defines no enemies, it simply asks: does it work? If yes, continue if no its abrogate.
  • Etc.

What do you love about OTO? What drew you to it? What makes you stay?

That it is a fraternity and a brother/sisterhood of fun and a source of interesting and profound experiences. What makes me stay is just that.

What do you think are most important Magick and meditation practices?

Magick: everything that helps you balancing and realizing that you are both ‘bigger’ and ‘smaller’ than you think.

Meditation: following the breath (concentration) and gaining insights (contemplation).

What do you think is the thing that most people misunderstand about Thelema?

The classic: a way to hedonism and egotism. Or even worse that it is a form of Satanism in the Christian sense. Nothing wrong with Satanism as an independent concept, but I haven’t encountered that yet outside of Thelema.

Why do you think OTO is important to Thelema?

OTO is the first order of the Old Aeon to accept the Law, and it one of the major current vehicles to express Thelema in our times.

What do you think are the most important aspects of Thelema?

Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law,

Love is the law, love under will

(and the life long journey to discover what that means).

Do you have any stories from any experiences with Magick?

Where do you see OTO going in the next 10 years?

Steadily growing and consolidating its position as an organisation. Establishing more and more Chapters of Rose Croix, and supporting & facilitating more and more Thelemites to become Hermits

How do you see the world differently as a Thelemite?

I am, not because I think, but because all else is too.

I am Not, ‘because’ does not exist.

As a Thelemite I realise that Infinity – both in its expanding (Nuit) and Contracting (Hadit) form – is within me, (and without me), by the force of Ra-Hoor-Khuit it does express itself now in this time and place. That I am is true otherwise who would be writing :-), but “I” am Not is also true because as an individual I am but an expression of NU and HAD and RA-Hoor-Khu.

What speaks to you about the Gnostic Mass? What is your favorite part?

It contains a universal Truth, expressed in a multitude of forms, e.g. achieving Knowledge & Conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel, crossing the Abyss (as a Priest), the  Hieros Gamos, etc. etc.

My favourite part is the communio and the declaration that “there is no part of me that is not of the Gods,” expressing that the Divine is always (though hidden mostly) expressing itself in the ordinary life. Also, the fact that your statement is acknowledged by the congregation makes me realise that, although I am one and individual and eternal, I am a also a Star in the company of Stars.   

How do you see Thelema evolving in its 2nd Century of existing (i.e. after 100 years)? How is it different or how is it going to be different? What has grown or changed?

Thelema, I think, has existed much longer than 100 years. After all, Nuit and Hadit and Ra-Hoor-Khuit have been around for a while, if under different names and dealt with from a very different perspective :-). The major difference is (for me) that Thelema is no longer a secret; it is for all who are willing to come forward and accept and live it, i.e. accept the rule of the lord of the Aeon, Ra-Hoor-Khuit.

Thelema has been and will be around as long as mankind does exist, yet the form whereby it will express itself might change dramatically in the next centuries. Im my opinion, as long as Thelema will be expressed by individuals and communities of individuals, its essence will remain intact. The moment, however, that it becomes ‘an institution’ it will be dead in its current form. Why? Because the institutions –established as a means to establish Thelema, will become an end in itself whereby Thelema becomes only a word, and a shell.

Is there anything else you would like to mention?

Yes, what about Mysticism? That is also an essential part of Thelema isn’t it. After all Ra-Hoor-Khuit has a brother Hoor-Pa-Kraat and it is only when they become Heru-Ra-Ha that the essence of Thelema becomes manifested I think…

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